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The round started and I was rolled traitor, I offered over radio to start the engine as there were no engineers on the station.  The HoS, Sadi, ran into the hallway, lobbed a teargas grenade at me then tased me when I ran away from it.  He/she then cuffed me, stripped me, didnt even search me to find my traitor items in my bag before throwing my stuff in the armoury and taking me to the labour camp.  Through this entire process the only thing they said was "Tell it to the judge" and "100 points get going".  Unfortunately no admin was on at the time so I can cry about it here.

Edit: Despite my cries for help and watching the HoS harm baton me into submission the detective (Vince Hunter) just doubled my points, the detective also watched and did nothing as he did this to the miner as well.

Another edit because this was painfully funny:  I ended up using the ghost command after he beat me to near crit and buckle cuffed me on the labour camp, then as a ghost watched his dumb ass apply multiple brute patches and gauze to my corpse even after scanning it.
Sorry friend, but when you pull out a red box and run away, I am within my rights to tase you and search you. In fact, I can search you as I please and deem it prudent if its code blue (it was). I was going to let you off lightly with a 100 point sentence and just confiscate your PDA and the nuke box but then you ghosted and Argentus started complaining in OOC, I'll provide pictures of that in my next post. Also, the detective raised your sentence because you were vandalizing shit in the labor camp.
I A: Didnt pull out a red box B: I didnt run away, thats actually how you caught me  C: Syndie boxes look like internals boxes in player hands D: You didnt search me or take the box even after you arrested me.  And lastly I didn't complain about you specifically, I made sure to keep vague so as not to ruin the game for anyone like you seem so fond of.  The reason for that was so that people would come and back me up on this forum post.  Apparently youve got a reputation for this
(03-27-2017, 10:33 PM)GaussintheHouse Wrote: [ -> ]http://imgur.com/a/q05Wh

Congratulations on posting a picture where I'm telling everyone specifically not to name you and to reply to the forum post if they take issue with you?   Great work there bud.
I support this, maybe a perma jobban from HoS
So essentially there are no actual arguments for my ban besides "He ruined my traitor round by issuing a generous punishment, whereupon I threw a temper tantrum and ghosted on a 100 point sentence" and "I got arrested then killed myself after I got caught red handed with a flamethrower, also on a 100 point sentence". Preposterous. I should have given you the death penalty for being a traitor but I try to let you off easy and this is my reward? I could have had the RD demoted but I gave you a light sentence and you, not I, fucked up. You're the ones who can't handle mining a few pieces of ore and immediately take to the forums to crusade against me for being generous, so maybe next time I'll just go with harsher sentences.
Well, without access to logs, it's hard to tell if they had "probable cause" to search you, but they are right, if it is Code Blue or higher, they are allowed to do random searches.
However, if you were indeed a traitor, and they knew it, 100 points at the labor shuttle in addition to confiscation is a generous sentence, one considerably lighter than I would ever do. Adding 100 points to your sentence for vandalizing the shuttle is reasonable, if that's what actually happened.
This is all without access to logs, but really, I think a warning is the most this would really demand. They were acting at least within the rules of the server and, assuming it was under Code Blue, within in-game regulations
(03-27-2017, 10:27 PM)GaussintheHouse Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry friend, but when you pull out a red box and run away, I am within my rights to tase you and search you. In fact, I can search you as I please and deem it prudent if its code blue (it was). I was going to let you off lightly with a 100 point sentence and just confiscate your PDA and the nuke box but then you ghosted and Argentus started complaining in OOC, I'll provide pictures of that in my next post. Also, the detective raised your sentence because you were vandalizing shit in the labor camp.

First of all, syndicate boxes look the same as internals boxes on character models, so you're blatantly lying about what happened in the first 10 words even if I had pulled it out, which I didn't.  Second of all, you didn't search me, you handcuffed me, brought me to sec, gave me 100 point sentence which if everything you've said is true could be grounds for a secban as giving someone you've 'confirmed' a traitor a 100 point sentence (Being an enemy of nanotrasen is equal to vandalism?) is retarded, not being nice, only after the round had gotten well under way did you actually check my bag and find the box.  Third, you threw the miner who you've neglected to mention this entire time also in the gulag after I'd ghosted for no reason, you cloned his body after you found it in the hall and cuffed him as he came out of the cloner with no previous provocation.   And finally, you gave the RD a 500 point sentence for having a partially made flamethrower with no plasma tank in it as he was putting it into the destructive analyser, role played with him in your office for 10 minutes while force feeding him the vodka in your office, then gave him 500 points on top of the 10 minutes you spent fucking with him.  I'm sorry that you didn't think anyone would care enough about your shittery to make a forum post.

Edit: "So essentially there are no actual arguments for my ban besides "He ruined my traitor round by issuing a generous punishment, whereupon I threw a temper tantrum and ghosted on a 100 point sentence" and "I got arrested then killed myself after I got caught red handed with a flamethrower, also on a 100 point sentence". Preposterous. I should have given you the death penalty for being a traitor but I try to let you off easy and this is my reward? I could have had the RD demoted but I gave you a light sentence and you, not I, fucked up. You're the ones who can't handle mining a few pieces of ore and immediately take to the forums to crusade against me for being generous, so maybe next time I'll just go with harsher sentences."

I figured I should point out that everything in this post is either a strawman argument or ad hominem.  As well as trying to dismiss anything else in the thread by saying "So essentially there are no actual arguments for my ban"  Also, the HoS, a head role, for experienced players who have played many a round as sec, didn't know that you could use your baton on someone without harm intent, he harm batoned me multiple times (and the miner) and actually tried to see how it worked when I told him he could use it on help, but he forgot to turn it on.  Truly an experienced player.
Upon reading that, it does change it a bit. Improperly handling a traitor is one thing; however, arresting the RD for an unused flamethrower that is being put in the destructive analyzer is unreasonable at best. Ten minutes of "processing" and force feeding him liquor is much more than enough punishment for any crime you could perceive was done in that situation. Putting a 500 point labor requirement on top of that is just ridiculous. I could understand if he were spraying it about in the halls, but putting it in the destructive analyzer i.e. his job? That's borderline grief.
Neither of you have said much about the shaft miner, but assuming he wasn't arrested "for no reason", what you did was silly. If he was an antagonist, he should have been borged or morgued. If he was a griefer, he should have been put in the morgue to rot.
Cloning him and cuffing him directly afterwords is just messing with him and is pointless for any reason but messing with him.
This is making the assumption that he isn't lying, however, and until an admin can provide logs or one of you two can provide screenshots of anything that isn't IC and OOC, all I can do is side with the person who seems to provide a more realistic account.
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